So Scary, I was tears !

On Oct 15th after i fed my DD Nitya i gave her to my hubby to burp, so i could feed my DS Nihar, and i am sure you know men how they are, he forgot to burp her and 1 hr had passed , ofcourse, when i found out i was very upset with him and minutes later my baby doll spit up a lil and couldn't breathe, she had mucus coming out of her nose, mouth and she was rolling her eyes, tears coming out of her eyes. We called the pediatrician and couldn't get a hold of him.

My mom got her and put her lil slanted upside down and patting her back, but she couldn't revive her it was like 5 mins we were trying and no improvement then we dialed 911 and they said they will be right over. DD had so much mucus coming out, she was turning blue, i had lost it, i was crying didn't know what to do, i was like its been only 12 days she had been here, how can this happen to me. her hands got cold and blue, her tongue was turning blue, she just let go of all the energy that she had inside her, it took good 10 mins for the paramedics to come to my house, by then she got little bit better and then they checked her heart and lungs everything was fine, Thank God.

We took her to the pediatrician for my own satisfaction he said she has reflux, to raise her head after she has been fed. so now we are doing that. Everytime i think about it i cry and get scared.

One Question i have to ask is that what do you girls feel about pacifier. I don't like them, I didn't give it to my son who is 8 years old now but my DD is very fussy, she makes weird noises and seems uneasy throughout the day, lil cu's can ca's all day long. she doesn't even have a good nap always keeps moving around making noises, my mom suggested to give them pacifier and i feel she might gag on it, what do you girls feel abt it, please let me know if pacifier is good idea or a bad one ?

 

:hug: One of my DD's also used to spit up out of her nose and mouth and I would need to use the nasal bulb to clear it all out so she could breathe. It was very scary. Did your pedi put her on some reflux meds? My girls took zantac and while my spitter still spit up it didn't hurt her anymore. We always burped them well after feeding and then kept them upright for 45 minutes after (it was hard during those middle of the night feeding, but better than the alternative). Also, we propped the legs on the pnp that they slept in so their heads were elevated. My spitter did use a pacifier until she found her thumb and at 19 month still sucks her thumb. As for the noises she is making, it sounds like gas or from the reflux. If you pedi didn't prescribe anything for her, I'd talk to him/her again about it. Both my girls were on zantac for reflux and mylicon drops for gas and they were much happier babies for it. GL and :hug: and congratulations on your babies!

 

Whoa, that's really scary. I know it's probably going to take a while for you to feel comfortable again. I had a similar incident with Mark when he was 2 weeks old. I kept him sleeping upright in the carseat for the first 2.5 months of his life because I feared that happening again. Did you ask your pediatrician about her sleeping upright; maybe in her carseat or swing? I asked mine and she told me to do that.

I'm not much of a pacifier person, and when my DH gave it to them they didn't want to take it for more than a few minutes, so my guys haven't gotten into the habit. The only thing you need to be concerned about is how it affects their latch when you are breastfeeding them. My LCs have said try not to use them for the first 3-4 weeks because they affect how the baby sucks from the breast. My guys never latched well, so this was one reason I decided not to use pacis, but my DH didn't want to listen to me (Go figure!) and he tried it. So my thought is as long as they are latching well, and you are not having trouble with breastfeeding them I'd try it, but if you are having trouble with breastfeeding, it could make it worse.

 

How scary...so sorry you had to go through that! That is actually one of my worst fears...one of the babies spitting up and chocking, even though my babies dont spit up very often. My dd spits up out her nose as well when she does spit up...we just quickly grab the nasal bulb and suck it out. We do burp them after every feeding and keep them upright for about 15 minutes or so just to be sure.
DS gets really congested when he is laid flat so I think he may have a little reflux but I dont think its enough to be medicated...so a nurse suggested getting a crib wedge, which we are going to get a couple and see if they help. If anything it will make me feel more at ease as they will be inclined a little.
As for all the noises, my babies do the exact same thing...especially if they are in their crib. Because of this I've had them sleeping in their swings or bouncers lately. I think its just normal grunts and moans. You can certainly try the gas drops...you dont need a prescription or anything just buy some infant mylicon...we put it in just about every bottle as we do have gassy babies!
Regarding pacifiers...we have chosen to use them, mostly because of the research regarding SIDS...I'm pretty paranoid about stuff like that. I also do believe that I read somewhere that it might help with reflux as they are sucking so stuff doesnt come back up. Like pp said a lot of lactation consultants dont recommend using them until they are 4 weeks, but then theirs other evidence/research that says its fine, so you just have to decide whats right for you.

 

I am sorry you had such a scare! :hug: 's to you! As for paci's they help w/ the reflux. It will help to settle your lo down. i agree w/ pp's you should get some medicine for the reflux. Good luck!

 

First, I am so sorry that this happened to you and your daughter. It must have been so scary! :grouphug:

As far as the pacifier goes I think it depends. If you are berastfeeding I would hold off until at least 4-5 weeks. If not I would still use caution. Babies have a very strong suck reflex, but when they are so small they also need to eat a lot... If you are breastfeeding you should feed on demand in order to get a stron milk supply for them. Generally, when they are that small the desire to suck indicates hunger... Sometimes that is A LOT!

Good luck and I hope that you don't have to experience anything like that again! It sounds like it was a terrifying experience.

 

I am SO glad you posted this. My boys spit up from time to time, and for some reason I was thinking they could clear it themselves. :blush: Now I see that was stupid of me, and I should be more careful. DH has been so on top of helping them clear out the gunk with the bulb thing - at least one of us is on top of things.

 

How scary-I'm so glad that your daughter is ok! :hug:
My first DD never really took a pacifier, but this time around both babies began using pacifiers in the hospital and neither ever had problems latching on or nursing.

Kirsten

 

If you are breastfeeding I would get the pacifiers made by Avent. They are great and I used them with my son. I took them away before he could crawl though so he wouldn't be too attached to it.

Also if you are using bottles I'd really look into getting some Dr.Browns bottles. They are amazing when it comes to babies who have colic and spit up a lot.

 

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If you are breastfeeding I would get the pacifiers made by Avent. They are great and I used them with my son. I took them away before he could crawl though so he wouldn't be too attached to it.

Also if you are using bottles I'd really look into getting some Dr.Browns bottles. They are amazing when it comes to babies who have colic and spit up a lot.



thank you so much abt the bottles, i am using born free bottles, because of the wide neck bottles and dr brown doesn't have those and 2nd dr browns doesn't have glass bottles which i am using right now, i hope its not the bottles. may b i'll get couple of dr browns and try that also.

 

Oh my goodness, what a scary experience for you to have to go through! I am SO glad to hear that your DD is okay! We had some scary incidents once the girls were home too, but thankfully the nurses from the NICU prepared us so we were able to handle it ourselves. Just remember your first aid. If the baby cannot breathe you need to clear the passageway. Position her upright and use that bulb syringe like it's your best friend! Your best bet may be to keep a couple of bulb syringes handy. We had to always keep one on the changing table and one in the living room just in case. We eventually kept one in DD's car seat for walks. We wound up using them all to clear her/their passageways in a pinch! We also were told buy a crib wedge to elevate their heads a bit while sleeping. To save money, I used a couple of three ring binders instead and they worked just fine. Just put them under the matress on one side. Also, burp well, use milacon drops (you can even put some drops straight into her bottle at feeding time, and keep her upright for at least 30 minutes after each feeding. You will be just fine! This will get better, I promise!!! My daughters haven't turned blue in over a month (they're four months old now)!

 

we have bad reflux issues, too, so i know just how scary it can be. some days our boys reflux after every feeding, thick mucousy milk spitups that come out through their mouths and noses. sometimes the only warning we have is a small sneeze or we'll just catch the spluttering wet sound and race over to see them covered in it. our doctor has reassured us that they won't aspirate on the liquid, though. what i've been told is that the acid coming up in the throat can be painful and startling to the baby and it can cause them to close down their throat and stop breathing. we actually had an incident where that happened in NICU when owen refluxed halfway through a bottle feed and he just stopped breathing in reaction. very scary and i'm so grateful we had nurses around to get him going again.

the point is, we've been reassured that the liquid itself isn't going to suffocate a baby. still, keeping them upright or at the very least head elevated seems to be the best move you can do. we put throw pillows under one side of their crib mattress to raise it and some nights we have them sleep sitting up in their car seats or in the swing. still, they can reflux even when sitting up. as PP said, keep bulb syringes handy and help clear their noses when it happens. just don't syringe too much. once, maybe twice a day is all you want to do because the suction can cause the delicate tissues inside their noses to become inflamed and that won't help clear the breathing passageway.

as far as the pacifier goes, it's actually recommended as a way to help prevent SIDS so it's certainly not a gagging danger. and actually i've read a number of guides on reflux that suggest that the sucking action of the pacifier can help keep the motility of the upper digestive system moving in the right direction and may help prevent a reflux episode. unfortunately my boys aren't huge fans of the pacifier yet so we haven't been able to experiment with this recommendation. there is the possibility of nipple confusion but because of our NICU stay and mandatory bottle feedings in hospital we already deal with that anyway.

good luck, and don't be afraid to press your doctor for reflux solutions if you feel like your baby is experiencing discomfort or pain.

 

One of my girls did that several times in the first couple months we were home. She had quit for a long time, but she just did it again yesterday. She never actually turned blue, but she got very dard red. We always had to suction her nose out with a aspirator to get her breathing again. I was at home alone the first time it happened. I thought I was going to fall apart when she finally started breathing again, but I knew better what to do the next time. It's definitely scary!!

 

My dd just to spit up a ton. All of a sudden it would come shooting out of her nose and mouth at the same time. I remember being scared because she couldn't breathe and worried it would happen when I wasn't around. She was older than yours when it happened, she was probably closer to 4 months old. Turns out we were feeding her too much. We had switched my other dd formula and feeding times got closer together. This happened on and off for a week or so before we figured it out. Once we cut back the amount of formula a little bit she was fine and it stopped happening.

 

OMB Mina, how scary--Im so sorry this happened, hopefullly it was a one time deal

 

Mina, I'm so sorry you had to go through this. It must have been terrifying for you.

I went through reflux with my 29-week preemie. Although not as severe as you describe, we have similar stories. She used to turn blue every time I'd lay her down. I felt like I wasn't allowed to sleep for fear she'd have an episode while I was asleep and I wouldn't be there to help her.

Your post made me think reflux even before I read the diagnosis. The violent vomiting and inability to breathe.... the not breathing, although horrible to watch, happens for a good reason. Your DD is keeping the vomit from entering her lungs. And that's a very good thing!

There are medications - Zantac and Reglan - that address reflux issues. Zantac is very mild medication with no side effects. It's an acid neutralizer but doesn't keep your baby from refluxing. Reglan helps control the actual reflux, but it has risks associated with it. We didn't go this route. My DD's reflux lasted for several weeks and eventually resolved itself.

The pacifier is actually a good thing for babies. Reduces the risk of SIDS. So I'd say go ahead and give it to her. It probably won't help her reflux, but it might soothe her just the same. Here's the one they use in most NICU's - http://www.soothie-pacifier.com/ It's vanilla scented, so the babies get a little addicted. (I know, it's kind of creepy that companies can manipulate newborns like that.)