Mirroring Teeth

We are pretty sure our girls are ID. Although, I am not 100% convinced (I know, I know...). We have not done the testing yet. Their teeth came in in the following order (looking at them):

Izzy: bottom left, bottom right, top left & left of top left (at the same time), top right.
Mara: bottom right, bottom left, top right & right of top right (at the same time), top left.

Is this normal ID stuff or does it mean they may be mirror image twins? Anyone know anything about mirroring?

Thanks!

 

Hi. This happened with my boys too. I don't know if it means they're mirror or not tho cuz that's all that is happening that would indicate mirroring.

Can you post some pics of your girls so that we can tell you if they're ID or not. Have we already done that?

What makes you say you're "pretty sure they are ID". Were they mono di or di di??

 

QUOTE(ivfbound078 @ Dec 4 2008, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1097419[/snapback]
Hi. This happened with my boys too. I don't know if it means they're mirror or not tho cuz that's all that is happening that would indicate mirroring.

Can you post some pics of your girls so that we can tell you if they're ID or not. Have we already done that?

What makes you say you're "pretty sure they are ID". Were they mono di or di di??


Here is my ID or Frat thread.

Here is the thread with pics of the placenta.

Some recent pics. I think they are looking less and less alike.

Izzy
Mara

Izzy
Mara

together (these are "professional" photos <_< .. you can look at more of them by clicking next, etc. They are pretty poor quality, but can give you an idea)

And if they turn out to be mirror image, I thought this pic would be really neat to have.

 

I don't know enough about the mirror image traits/characteristics, but they still look ID to me. Gosh, they are so cute!

I'd be interested in knowing about mirror image stuff if anybody has it.

 

QUOTE(Emily@Home @ Dec 4 2008, 05:31 PM) [snapback]1097709[/snapback]
I don't know enough about the mirror image traits/characteristics, but they still look ID to me. Gosh, they are so cute!

I'd be interested in knowing about mirror image stuff if anybody has it.


I am doing a bit of research online and it is interresting.

We going to get the test done maybe in Jan/Feb. I will post the results.

 

I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that u can id mirror image twins by looking at the direction of the swirl of their hair (I'm sure there is a more technical term) if they swirl in different directions, then they are mirror image. If that is true, then I know my girls are not, bc both of their swirls go clockwise.

 

They are so beautiful!!! I didn't get to see your ID/Frat thread before or your placenta. Thanks for sharing those links. I have never seen a placenta before and this makes me want to take a picture of this baby's. My vote is ID. DNA doesn't prove mirror image, does it?

 

So if they are ID, they will get the same teeth at the same time? Still waiting on teeth, so this would be good to know

Dianna

 

Okay-- cklalfka (i guessed, that's a tough one!)- those girls are identical and I do remember your thread now cuz of those OUTFITS! Love them.

You don't need to test, honey. They are identical! Save the bucks. They are just adorable!

 

QUOTE(ginagwen @ Dec 4 2008, 10:38 PM) [snapback]1098142[/snapback]
I read somewhere (I don't remember where) that u can id mirror image twins by looking at the direction of the swirl of their hair (I'm sure there is a more technical term) if they swirl in different directions, then they are mirror image. If that is true, then I know my girls are not, bc both of their swirls go clockwise.


I read that last night too... and my girls' hair whirls in the same diercetion... so not mirror image.

QUOTE(ivfbound078 @ Dec 5 2008, 08:54 AM) [snapback]1098447[/snapback]
Okay-- cklalfka (i guessed, that's a tough one!)- those girls are identical and I do remember your thread now cuz of those OUTFITS! Love them.

You don't need to test, honey. They are identical! Save the bucks. They are just adorable!


:lol: That is what everyone says and I guess they are right, but I am just one of those typical moms of ID that is not convinced they are ID.

 

My twins did the same thing and they are def not ID. (b/g)

And i think your girls are soooo cute and soooo ID!!!

 

From what I understand mirroring isn't all or nothing. Twins can have some characteristics of mirroring, but not all. That is why some mirroring is so extreme that the organs of one twin are on the opposite sides, but others only have hair that swirls in opposite directions. My boys hair swirls different ways, I can't wait to see how their teeth come in and which hand is dominate.

 

this is a great question!
btw your girls are gorgeous, and i vote id, for sure, can i ask though, did you give birth vaginally, and if so was one breech....just going on head shapes ...mine have different shaped heads (yours appeared to have too in the few photos that i looked at (gorgeous too btw!) and were headfirst and breech.

anyhow..my girls both cut their first teeth within 24 hrs of each other, one cut the bottom middle left and the other bottom middle right...was wondering too about the mirror thing. The girls both have double crowns, and they both apprear to be the same, so i don't know...

do identicals cut their teeth at the same time and same teeth?

 

Peeping in from the "new since your last post" list to say Stephanie is right. Twins are mirror imaged if they have only one characteristic (hair whorl, teeth eruption, handedness) mirrored.

About 25% of all identical twins are mirror image comming from all types. Its typically thought of as an indication of a late split but we were di/di (early split) and are mirror image. (DNA tested in 1998 and 2006)

For most twins I know, being mirror image is a fun fact. Its facinating but in the long run, unless your organs are on the opposite side of your body, it doesn't affect your life much.

Oh and we were born vaginally and mom can still tell whos who in baby pictures by head shape. Connie was an "apple" and I was a "block".

 

QUOTE(ivfbound078 @ Dec 4 2008, 01:26 PM) [snapback]1097419[/snapback]
What makes you say you're "pretty sure they are ID". Were they mono di or di di??



That wouldn't help. My boys were di/di and are identical.

Oh, and like Kendra they are mirror too. (opposite hair whorls, left handed/right handed, opposite teeth eruption...)

 

QUOTE(Cristina @ Dec 6 2008, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1099757[/snapback]
That wouldn't help. My boys were di/di and are identical.

Oh, and like Kendra they are mirror too. (opposite hair whorls, left handed/right handed, opposite teeth eruption...)



No, I know.. I just know that some of "us" here think even if they were Mono-Di they STILL aren't ID!! LOL. There is only at 9% chance they are ID with a di-di situation so I'm just curious It lessens the odds for sure!

 

QUOTE(ivfbound078 @ Dec 6 2008, 07:02 AM) [snapback]1100000[/snapback]
There is only at 9% chance they are ID with a di-di situation so I'm just curious It lessens the odds for sure!


No, di/di twins have a 9% mortality rate. Its a 20-30% chance of happening according to everything I've ever read (just double checked in a book I own) Before our first DNA test we really belived we were fraternal because we had our own everythings.

 

QUOTE(natasha163 @ Dec 5 2008, 11:07 PM) [snapback]1099687[/snapback]
can i ask though, did you give birth vaginally, and if so was one breech....just going on head shapes ...mine have different shaped heads (yours appeared to have too in the few photos that i looked at (gorgeous too btw!) and were headfirst and breech.


Both born c-sec.
Izzy: baby A, head down since 18 or 20 weeks. long thin face.
Mara: baby B, breach, she turned several times but stayed breach for the last month. rounder shorter face.

I think womb position has a lot to do with head/face shape, for sure.

 

QUOTE(Kendra @ Dec 6 2008, 09:31 AM) [snapback]1100122[/snapback]
No, di/di twins have a 9% mortality rate. Its a 20-30% chance of happening according to everything I've ever read (just double checked in a book I own) Before our first DNA test we really belived we were fraternal because we had our own everythings.


I swear I read that too. Also I thought it was more likely for identical twins to be di/di than to be mo/mo - that mono/di is the most common for identical twins, followed by di/di and mo/mo is the least common. Is that true?

 

QUOTE(Kendra @ Dec 6 2008, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1100122[/snapback]
No, di/di twins have a 9% mortality rate. Its a 20-30% chance of happening according to everything I've ever read (just double checked in a book I own) Before our first DNA test we really belived we were fraternal because we had our own everythings.



Okay I don't want to argue with you but I think we're discussing differnet things here..

Here is what I am saying:

And these are approximate, of course,

70% of twins are fraternal
30% of twins are identical
70% of those identical twins share SOMETHING (momo, mono-di, conjoined)

30% of those identical twins are Di-Di which equates to roughly 9% OF TWINS.

Maybe I'm wrong, which would be fine, but this is absolutely everything I've ever read here!! I know nothing of mortality rates.

 

You are making it much harder on yourself.

Talking about mirror image and identical di/di, most use the 25% of identical birth figure. By adding the obviously fraternal same sex and m/f sets (that are of course di/di) to the mix and lowering the percentage for a more exclusive number its just putting a sense of "super duper better" on the whole thing and confusing everyone.

 

I am thoroughly confused. I have no idea what you and I are even talking about Kendra. Seriously, I never have.. I've just been guessing what you thought I was saying. It doesn't matter to me anyway, to be honest. I was just trying to make myself clear due to the first misunderstanding between us but clearly have not able to do it, I guess.

I am not even talking about mirroring. At all. I know nothing about it. Also, I know nothing about mortality rates nor do I want to.

I think you know best about whatever we're talking about. LOL. I have absolutely no idea. I only know what I've been told here so, if it's wrong that's totally cool

Thanks!! I'm not trying to prove anything AT ALL. Soo sorry for the serious misunderstanding on that.

TAke care!!