I shouldn’t complain

I know from experience that I am blessed with twins who sttn (my definition of sttn of 10 hrs) by the time they were 10 w… BUT and it’s a big mama butt… when does the cranky at the last feeding end, AND when do they wake up from there nap as happy as they wake up at 6 am??? Now naps are getting better… one usually naps 2 hrs after the 9am feeding and the other just over 45 min then they switch for the 12 feeding… then they both fight naps and seem to just not get happy from like 5 on… my dh and I even take them in the snuglies for a walk every night @ 6 to burn away an hour of this fussiness, and it works, they sleep on and off through it… but Seth can just be flippen pissed, I feel like I can’t go out to eat w/ dh until they are in bed because I not sure anyone could pull off all my tricks to make him happy and get the whole 8 oz in him… I have on occasion had someone come and help in the evening when DH has to work… and everyone is like, “he’s done, I don’t think he wants any more bottle…” and I’m like “yes he does… “ And I’m not going backwards and getting up at 2 am to feed him… any other bottle I am fine with him not finishing… he can even skip it if he wants, but not the 7pm feeding

My older DS was a cranky baby (but I think he had undiagnosed reflux looking back… poor guy). And he didn’t sttn until he was 9m and I resorted to cio out of pure sleep deprivation… and he never woke up happy from anything (I mean woke up screaming every single time) until he was in a big boy bed and could wake up and come find me…

So when did these happy times come for you… the boys will be 3 months tomorrow (7/20)

If you got this far WOW… thank you
Elizabeth

 

Mine were not at all happy until 4 months old after waking from naps. I know the fussiness at night lasted until about 3 months old. You are in survival mode right now. Mine still dont sttn so you are very blessed that they will sleep 10 hours for you.

 

Wish I knew the answer. Lately bedtime has been so hard for us too. I'm always asking how do they KNOW it's the last feeding of the night? Where they always turn super hard to feed, one turns their head the whole time and pushes the bottle around but we know he's hungry and same as you, I'm not giving up until I can get at least 6 oz in. In the end he'll usually do all 8, so he was hungry. It's just so hard. And my daughter will start flailing around and crying. We resorted to wrapping her halfway through. They'll start out fine, but halfway through it's like they realize - hey, this is the time we're supposed to give mommy and daddy a hard time. ready...set, go! We used to be able to just put my son in his crib wide awake and he'd eventually go to sleep. Now he's a bouncy ball of energy and is loud and fussy, so we have to keep trying to soothe him. My dauther, even when we think she is totally out, will wake up in 10 minutes screaming wanting out of her blanket (which we cannot do, because she will NOT calm down and sleep without it). I finally decided they were going too long from their last nap til bedtime, so we moved their bedtime up a half hour. It's kind of helped a little 1 out of 3 nights. I hope it gets easier soon, bedtime used to be a lot less stressful. And I don't feel confident that anyone else in our family that would babysit would be able to handle it either.

Do you think they're awake too long in between that last feeding so they're getting overtired, or is it just a normal fussy time for babies that they have to outgrow? I'm still trying to figure it out. We also would take a walk before their last feeding which they sleep on and off through. I first thought they're sleeping too much, so they're not ready to go to bed 45 minutes later...but I'm thinking now it's the overtired thing because it wasn't enough solid sleep to make a difference. Still not sure though and am just trying to experiment with things. We cut out the walks the past couple nights. If we try it again, we might feed them first, have them in their pj's ready to go, and hopefully pop them right into bed when we get back.

Good luck. If you find anything that works, let us know!

 

There was a lot of crying going on before 5 months. First it was reflux, then it was normal under-developed nervous system overstimulated crying, then it was frustrated because I can't do all the things I want to do crying, etc. Then around 5 months their morning nap was pretty consistent and while the rest of the day was all over the place, it was still much more peaceful. GL and hang in there. (BTW, once the two afternoon naps were consistent around 7 months things got SO much better!)

 

We were there at that age. It seemed we could never soothe them and every night was a different trick. But ours didn't sttn until 4 months (and DD is still not 100% on that talent). Anyway, I was told it was a phase called the witching hour and they all experience it. Many hugs to you!

 

Yes our schedule didn't start to emerge until 4-5mnths. And, the crying etc started to really subside at about 3.5mnths for dd, ds it was around 3mnths.
Naps were hard before 4mnths, we always put them down and sometimes they cried and sometimes they didn't. Naps can still be challenge now at 5.5 mnths, both mine will often wake up at 45min and cry for 10min, then they go right back sleep for another hour.

Good luck

hang in there the schedule will come soon.

 

Our schedule did not really start to set until 5.5 months. And somedays the magic does not happen! I have the babies down for their second nap, my son is sound asleep and I can hear my daughter babbling up there. Mine some nights will be cranky before bed and then there are other nights where they are fine.

It will come around, though! I'd never thought we would see a schedule and here we are!

 

oh god. 1. DS does not sleep through the night. He woke up at 1am (good thing I was still up doing homework), 4am, 5:30am and 7am. and he just fell asleep 20 minutes ago and he literally woke up 2 minutes ago.

My kids boycott naps. It seems the only way I can get DS to nap is if DD is asleep in the swing, I take him upstairs and cuddle with him or on the couch. At those times he sleeps for almost 2 hours!!! But I'm only able to do that like once a week.

I noticed when they nap for longer they wake up happier. (DS has a scowl right now cause he woke up too soon).
But I don't know how to keep them asleep, so I guess I am in the same boat as you...

I just know they are so much happier when they nap and STTN that it bugs me that they are grumpy when I know all they have to do is sleep!! I wish I could speak baby lingo and tell them that!

 

Our boys birthdays are a day apart! I can not believe your boys will eat 8 oz!! Mine only eat 4 and a half. They sleep about 6 to 9 hours a night depending. I think what your going through is pretty normal unfortunately. Mine do that any time they are over tired. Maybe their bedtime could be moved up a little??

By the way, how much do your boys weigh now? I'm just curious since mine are getting like half what yours are.

 

We turned a big corners as far as decrease in fussiness at 3 months and then again at 6 months. Now they go down relatively easy (most days anyway) for naps and generally wake up happy.

 

QUOTE(blended6 @ Jul 19 2008, 01:19 PM) [snapback]884930[/snapback]
Our boys birthdays are a day apart! I can not believe your boys will eat 8 oz!! Mine only eat 4 and a half. They sleep about 6 to 9 hours a night depending. I think what your going through is pretty normal unfortunately. Mine do that any time they are over tired. Maybe their bedtime could be moved up a little??

By the way, how much do your boys weigh now? I'm just curious since mine are getting like half what yours are.

oh thats the only bottle they have 8 oz (and Seth only 1/2 the time... i will give up on him if he is fussy and has had 6oz). i dont know how much they weigh.. its alot though... they are in size 6-9 m clothes right now (though i can squeeze Seth in his 3-6m stuff still and only few piece still fit Nathan)
Our bottles go like this:
6am 4-5 oz
9am 4-5 oz
12 4-5 oz
3pm 6oz
7pm 6-8oz (Nathan will have all of it Seth is the Drama Queen i am working on)

 

Thanks everyone… I see a glimmer of hope as Nathan has stopped fighting more lately… so I am hoping Seth will fallow his younger bro lead… from what I read, I can still be dealing with this until 6m, but could be any day now that things get better as well..
Thanks

 

Someone told me this **** is going to keep up until they are 3...
3 years old that is

 

None of my babies were "happy wakers" until about 6 months. I think it's because there is a lot of mental growth between birth and 6 months but I don't really know.

Hang on though, between 4-5 months is when things seem to suddenly become much easier.

 

6am 4-5 oz
9am 4-5 oz
12 4-5 oz
3pm 6oz
7pm 6-8oz (Nathan will have all of it Seth is the Drama Queen i am working on)
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We have the same issues over here. Here's my schedule:

6am: bottle, 6+ oz
8:30-10:30am: nap
10:30am: 6+ oz
12:30-2pm: nap
2pm: 6+ oz
4pm-5pm: nap
5pm: 6+ oz
6pm/6:30pm: bed

If we are out and they don't get to bed until late I will offer them another bottle before putting them down.

Mine will be 4mo old on the 26th and have sttn since 6 weeks. They will sleep 12 hours now. What time are you putting them to bed? That could contribute to the fussiness. We don't experience extreme fussiness at night anymore since they started going to bed early, we used to put them to bed at 7:30pm. It kinda stinks that they do go to bed so early because that's less time with them when we get home from work, but I figure it's not going to be forever and eventually thier bed time will be later (and secretly this is what I need to NOT have the fussiness and retain sanity!). The 4pm nap is iffy. Today one napped and one cried and she was so overtired at 6pm that it took me 1/2 hour to get her to sleep when usually I put them in their cribs and they go straight to sleep. What I did was keep a log of thier nap times for one week and now I have them on a loose schedule according to their natural sleep patterns. They also nap in their cribs (just started this 2 weeks ago and I found that they sleep a lot longer in the crib compared to the swing or bouncer) and sleep at night in their cribs. Since doing all this we have common everyday fussiness instead of out of control evening fussiness.

Hope that helps.

 

What time are you putting them to bed? That could contribute to the fussiness. We don't experience extreme fussiness at night anymore since they started going to bed early, we used to put them to bed at 7:30pm.
Hope that helps.
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Well on our hour walk last night… I said this to DH about the fussiness and since my oldest DS is leaving this week to be with his paternal grandfather (who still hasn’t even seen the twins yet) we will try it then… they go to bed at 8 (sometime Seth 8:30 because I’m taking 10 min breaks w/ his bottle and trying again). So since I wont have to worry about feeding dinner I will try 30 min earlier and then if that goes ok, another 30 min so we eat @ 6 bed by 7… and if they don’t get up earlier I may try to push it up even earlier as we can start the fussiness at 5
Thanks

 

I was an on and off again phase with us up until about a month ago. Sometimes they would cry and night when we put them to bed and sometimes not and the same with the naps. Strange. And it went in phases. It was never one day good and one day bad we had a string of goods with no crying and then one day they would start again. So right now even at 19 months old we still have this issue here and there.

 

QUOTE(e mauro @ Jul 19 2008, 10:12 AM) [snapback]884644[/snapback]
I know from experience that I am blessed with twins who sttn (my definition of sttn of 10 hrs) by the time they were 10 w… BUT and it’s a big mama butt… when does the cranky at the last feeding end, AND when do they wake up from there nap as happy as they wake up at 6 am??? Now naps are getting better… one usually naps 2 hrs after the 9am feeding and the other just over 45 min then they switch for the 12 feeding… then they both fight naps and seem to just not get happy from like 5 on… my dh and I even take them in the snuglies for a walk every night @ 6 to burn away an hour of this fussiness, and it works, they sleep on and off through it… but Seth can just be flippen pissed, I feel like I can’t go out to eat w/ dh until they are in bed because I not sure anyone could pull off all my tricks to make him happy and get the whole 8 oz in him… I have on occasion had someone come and help in the evening when DH has to work… and everyone is like, “he’s done, I don’t think he wants any more bottle…†and I’m like “yes he does… “ And I’m not going backwards and getting up at 2 am to feed him… any other bottle I am fine with him not finishing… he can even skip it if he wants, but not the 7pm feeding

My older DS was a cranky baby (but I think he had undiagnosed reflux looking back… poor guy). And he didn’t sttn until he was 9m and I resorted to cio out of pure sleep deprivation… and he never woke up happy from anything (I mean woke up screaming every single time) until he was in a big boy bed and could wake up and come find me…

So when did these happy times come for you… the boys will be 3 months tomorrow (7/20)









If you got this far WOW… thank you
Elizabeth



ok elizabeth i just have to say holly cow how do you get your boys to STTN AND take 8ozs? our twins are days apart :lol: im still on 12am 3am feeds and 6:30am feeds! i tip my hat off to you we are only on 4oz of FF or EBM ok that said im jealous and my girls have thier fussy periods from 5:30pm to 7pm--I tried taking them for walks-helped me but they stayed awaked the whole trip-ugh- now we just swaddle them after thier bottle and put them in the swing-that works the best DH will put them in the crib and they sleep for oh 10 mins-so back to the swing

 

QUOTE(2+2more! @ Jul 20 2008, 08:46 AM) [snapback]885695[/snapback]
ok elizabeth i just have to say holly cow how do you get your boys to STTN


Hello hello (I have been thinking of you :hug99: )...

I have to be honest… I had a night nanny who specializes in twins (she is a twin)… she is this older lady (her kids are my age)… I got her from a mom at my older ds school who has twins and her sil had twins (she used her as well)… she came in from 9-6 mon-thur and she told me that she would feed them (or pick them up) only when they were hungry (i.e. crying) but if they were just fussy or making noise she would just re swaddle or plug back in a binky… and since she worked nights she had all the energy in the world to do this… and she said if I could bear it and not be quick to give the bottle or pick them up over the weekend, we would have these babies sttn soon, and since I knew she would be coming on Monday night… I just went w/out sleep fri-sun… well she was right, by 6 w they were going 6 hr (but that was 8-2am) then it was 8 hrs (at 8w) now 10… I am secretly hoping they will go 12 hr now they are 12 w… but I’m not gonna get greedy

 

That's how we got ours sleeping the 8 hours. I noticed they weren't eating much of their bottle when they woke up at night so I started sticking a soother in instead. If i can get mine eating more at night I'm sure we can get them sleeping 10- 12 hrs.

 

The boys hit four months this month and they seem to be getting happier and happier. Their happiest first thing in the morning. My favorite time of time. Never thought I would love 5:30am LOL But they are now waking up happy from naps and more happy during the day. It does get better!!! (ok, never thought I would be saying that LOL)

Dianna

 

QUOTE(e mauro @ Jul 20 2008, 10:08 AM) [snapback]885712[/snapback]
Hello hello (I have been thinking of you :hug99: )...

I have to be honest… I had a night nanny who specializes in twins (she is a twin)… she is this older lady (her kids are my age)… I got her from a mom at my older ds school who has twins and her sil had twins (she used her as well)… she came in from 9-6 mon-thur and she told me that she would feed them (or pick them up) only when they were hungry (i.e. crying) but if they were just fussy or making noise she would just re swaddle or plug back in a binky… and since she worked nights she had all the energy in the world to do this… and she said if I could bear it and not be quick to give the bottle or pick them up over the weekend, we would have these babies sttn soon, and since I knew she would be coming on Monday night… I just went w/out sleep fri-sun… well she was right, by 6 w they were going 6 hr (but that was 8-2am) then it was 8 hrs (at 8w) now 10… I am secretly hoping they will go 12 hr now they are 12 w… but I’m not gonna get greedy



thats great advice! send her my way i need a nite and day nanny :blink: